NOTES FOR THE APRIL 29, 2025 POLICE COMMISSION WEEKLY MEETING

•    Police Commission President Anthony Pacheco joined the LAPD Mental Evaluation Unit and Autism Society of America on April 28, 2008, in providing Metropolitan Division officers training on how to recognize and work productively with individuals with Autism.  This training is part of the LAPD Autism Awareness Program, a collaborative project with the Autism Society of America – Los Angeles.

•    Commissioner Robert Saltzman attended a West Bureau Compstat meeting with Deputy Chief Charlie Beck and Deputy Chief Terry Hara, and was impressed with the detail and the clarity of the information provided.

•    Commissioner Alan Skobin attended the Explorer Academy graduation ceremony.

•    Commissioner Andrea Ordin attended the LAPD Academy Graduation on April 25, 2008.

•    Chief Bratton informed the Commission that the Department is in good shape heading into the May 1st demonstrations and he anticipates a good day for all involved.

•    The verbal presentation and update from the City Domestic Violence Task Force, relative to their current and future activities as discussed by Commander Patrick Gannon, was accepted.

•    The verbal presentation and update from the Community Police Advisory Board (C-PAB) regarding community initiated problem solving, crime strategies, and other programs and goals within the North Hollywood Area was continued.

•    The verbal presentation by the Office of the Mayor and the Department, relative to the Mayor’s proposed fiscal year 2008-2009 budget for the Department as presented by Deputy Mayor Arif Alikhan was received and clearly reflects the City’s commitment to public safety.  The budget calls for the hiring of 780 new police officers each year, as well as maintaining the class sizes of new recruits.  In addition, 400,000 hours of overtime, which Deputy Mayor Alikhan stated was critical to combating crime, has been added to the 2008-2009 fiscal year budget, as well as the much-needed installation of in-car video equipment.      

•    The Department’s report dated April 14, 2008, in response to a Board query, relative to the Photo Red Light Program, was approved.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 23, 2008, in response to Board query, relative to the 2007 K-9 Platoon Annual Summary Report, was approved.

•    The Department’s report dated April 17, 2008, relative to the Annual Complaint Report for 2007 in accordance with Paragraph 130 of the Consent Decree, as provided by Commander Richard Webb was approved.  Commander Webb reported an investigation of 320 complaints was conducted and no incidents of racial profiling were confirmed.  Commissioner Mack and Commissioner Saltzman questioned the report’s findings.  In order to confirm the report’s accuracy, Chief Bratton stated that his office would conduct a survey on complaint findings from the 10 largest police departments in the nation to use as comparison. Chief Bratton believes the numbers are not much different around the country.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 3, 2008, relative to compliance with Audit Division’s recommendations for the Warrant Applications and Supporting Affidavits Audit, Third Quarter, Fiscal Year 2003/2004 - Recommendation Item No. 2, was received.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 4, 2008, relative to compliance with Audit Division’s recommendations for the Arrest, Booking, and Charging Reports Audit - Recommendation Item No. AD 01, was received.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 3, 2008, relative to compliance with Audit Division’s recommendations for the Non-Categorical Use of Force Investigations Audit Report, 4th Quarter, 2006/07 - Recommendation Item No. AD 01, was received.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 3, 2008, relative to compliance with Inspector General’s recommendations for the Inspector General’s Complaint Investigations Audit, - Recommendations 1, 2-A, B and D, was received.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 9, 2008, relative to compliance with Audit Division’s recommendations for the Non-Categorical Use of Force Reports Audit - Recommendation Item No. 01, was received.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 9, 2008, relative to compliance with the Inspector General’s recommendations for the Discipline Report, Second Quarter, 2005 - Recommendation Item No. IG-01, was pulled.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 11, 2008, in response to Board query, relative to personal purchase of Department approved tasers, was approved.

•    The Department’s report, dated April 17, 2008, relative to a request for information: Recapitulation of Warrants Authored and Firearms Seized by the Gang Impact Teams, First Quarter 2008, was accepted.

•    The Department’s report, dated February 8, 2008, and Office of the Inspector General’s report dated April 25, 2008, relative to the Quarterly Discipline Report, Fourth Quarter 2007, pursuant to the Annual Audit Plan, was approved.

Comments

[ron]

No racial profiling. Not one case out of 320. Yea Right, give me a break.

[captainjohnboyd]

ron,

like the chief said, how do you prove what went through an officer's mind when he made a traffic stop or otherwise detained someone? you can't. should we use statistics gathered from field data reports to prove racial profiling? that too would be impossible. : an officer assigned to 77th gangs and working a black gang will more than likely stop 100 times more blacks than whites/hispanics/others.

racial profiling is a buzz phrase that has lost its value. ive been accused of it, as every officer who works in minority communities i am sure. one guy said to me "you're just stopping me cuz i'm mexican" .... as hundreds of mexicans and blacks passed us unmolested.

racial profiling truly means that black guy in a business suit on his way home from work driving in brentwood or beverly hills and a cop says "oh hey a black guy in beverly hills, lets stop him". or even this: a cop sees a white guy driving down san julian on skid row at 3am and says "oh hey, a white guy on skid row at 3am, he must be about to buy drugs..."

the "you're just stopping me because I'm (insert minority status here) is overplayed and getting old.

[b&wop;]

My experience with racial profiling complaints is that it is always used as a tactic to put the officer on the defensive hoping to get out of a ticket or arrest. Well, it doesn't work.

At roll call, we get crime bulletins and crime information listing vehicles and suspect descriptions, which includes RACE. Yes, RACE. Now, if I am looking for armed robbers or burglars driving a specific car, and of a specific RACE, why would I stop other races? This is not racial profiling, it's CRIMINAL profiling. A combination of available information that leads to REASONABLE SUSPICION. Once the stop is made and facts are checked, if there is no PROBABLE CAUSE to arrest, the person is released. This is all part of police work and crime solving.

Just because someone doesn't like to be contacted by the police doesn't mean it's racial profiling. Officers are fed hundreds of bits of information daily, in printed, digital, and visual forms, and they act based on that information. Proving they are doing it because of a bias is very difficult. Hence the fact that no racial profiling complaints were sustained.

Again, just because a complaint is filed, doesn't mean it's true. Just like some people who are arrested are later released because of lack of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Unfortunately, some of our commissioners, two that should know better, think that a complaint filed is a complaint proven.

Shameful.

[ron]

Captain and B&WOP,
Myself I have not been issued a ticket or been stopped in the last 10 years. In the pass I have been stopped and asked why am I here or what do you have going on today?? What? What? What did I do?? Oh we just wanted to check you out. Ok again what the hell do you want?? What the hell did I do??? I'm Leaving my house or I'm on way home a decided to drive down this street. What is problem?? Are you done checking me out?? and then too weeks the same too the same mess again. Why are you staring at me as I walk out of the front door, they pull over and wait for me to leave!! Why??? Why are you stopping me again?? Why?? Ok fine. As I have now commited you badge and name to memory. I should not be upset??? Bull!! By the way this was 1979 and I was living On La Tijera Blvd, in a mosytly all white neighbor!!!

[Loves LA LEOs]

Ron, think a minute. You just answered your own question. When that type of racially harassing treatment occurred, it was more than 10 years ago. Give them credit; things have changed markedly for the better in this regard. Now, our reaction should be to stop stereotyping police officers as racists. I wasn't going to write in this blog any more, but I hear your pain, Ron. I have some painful memories, too. I try not to let the past steal any joy I can have in the present moment. Peace out, Ron. Stay safe, beautiful LEOs.

[Hot Fuzz]

Ron, you're complaining about something that happened almost 30 years ago??

FYI: The department has changed a LOT since then. Most cops on the job today were in diapers or not even BORN when that happened.

So, they shouldn't be upset that you are flinging mud at them for things they had no part in? BULL!

[TimingIsEverything]

Ron, besides the minor inconvenience or delay associated with your stops by police officers 10 years ago, were you mistreated? Were you called a name, falsely arrested, or beaten up for no reason?

The answer is probably “No”. After 10 years, maybe you should realize that the police were merely doing their job. Once they determined that you were not up to “no good”, I bet you were free to leave…

Let’s all climb off of the racially profiled bandwagon and recognize that Los Angeles is the most under-policed big city in America. If there were a cop on nearly every corner, like in New York City, LA police wouldn’t have to be so pro-active to keep criminals off guard. Let’s remember that NYPD is more than 4 times the size of LAPD for a much smaller geographic area.

Speaking of New York…How about the unfortunate shooting of the groom at his bachelor party??? So called activists (Sharpton, et al) are currently accusing African American Police Detectives of being racist to other African Americans. I am comforted knowing that the idiotic racial profiling excuses are not exclusive to the Westcoast.

[Michael R. Hillmann]

I wish to personally thank the members of the Department who participated in the 21st Centruy Mobile Field Force Training and May Day 2008.

It is an honor to serve with you. Thank you for a job well done.

LAPD leads the way...

Mike Hillmann

[ron]

Yes I will give credit were credit is due. Things have changed some what and then again they have not changed altogether. At the time I was very upset at the whole thing. I will always remember what happen to me.

[b&w; op]

Chief Hillman:

Your appreciation is noted and welcomed. Now, if only someone in your office would draft a commendation for all involved, coming from your Bureau, it would be a welcome positive addition to the involved officers' personnel packages.

Thanks.

[Robert Davis]

Perception is a concern and we (LAPD) have to do our best to maintain a positive perception, but here is a different perspective on racial profiling and what is probably part of the problem. I have worked half the divisions in the City, four as a Watch Commander and three others as a Sergeant (field supervisor). As a Watch Commander at Southeast, it was not unusual to have a community member call and demand a Black officer be sent to his/her call for service. (I sent whoever was available) This never occurred in any other division or involving any other race. I think it would be interesting to know the breakdown in race of the complainants from these 320 complaints. Perhaps the larger problem attributed to racial profiling does not involve the police.

[ron]

I think the reason the why a person would ask for a black officer instead of white one is for two reasons.

1. This person has had a bad experience with a white officer, and think they would get better treatment from someone of there own race.

2.A person could be thinking that a black office would have a better understanding of there problem because they are of the same race.

[nhd]

So is it right for a white victim to ask for a white police officer instead of a black officer? I think not.